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Published on August 16, 2005 By thatoneguyinslc In Current Events

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A lot of you know who Cindy Sheehan is. She's the mom leading the protest/vigil outside dubya's hideout in Crawford Texas. This article isn't about her protest. Others have covered that . This is about what happened yesterday....

Some redneck asshole took it upon themselves to drive through a few rows of the crosses erected on the side of the road. These crosses were part of her protest, and had the names of every american soldier, sailor, airman and marine killed in the Iraq war. Regardless of how you feel about her protest, i think you should be outraged. These crosses represent the sacrifices these kids made for the good old USA. It shows how some people feel about any dissent towards the war. They will go so far as to descecrate the names of those who gave all. It also shows that some will go to any length to disrespect anyone who opposes the war. Those crosses represent the losses of the families of the dead. Wether they are temporary or not is irrelevant. It is a slap in the face of every family who has lost a loved one. Regardless of how they feel about Mrs. Sheehan's protest.

But i'm not too suprised it happened. I was expecting something to happen. I never would have thought those who support the war would sink to such a level. One dumbass redneck gives the rest of you a black eye.

I guess i gave a few of them too much credit. My bad!

Thanks for reading,
thatoneguyinslc

Comments (Page 4)

Daiwa

on Aug 16, 2005

kb -

You're stretching here, especially the Lincoln bit. If Bush made a point of attending such funerals he'd just be accused of crass grandstanding, maybe even by you. Either way, the teeth get sunk in in search of the pound of flesh. There's always an angle for the opposition to work - it's what opponents do, I guess.

Cheers,
Daiwa

kingbee

on Aug 16, 2005

If Bush made a point of attending such funerals he'd just be accused of crass grandstanding, maybe even by you

definitely not by me. if a president is gonna order troops into harm's way, the very least he or she can do is honor those who lose their lives with a presidential presence. i don't recall any other president being being slammed for having done so.

it's a very cynical policy and one that should shame this administration.

kingbee

on Aug 16, 2005

one more thought: this is exactly the kinda weasel move that infuriates bush opponents because there are some things a president should and shouldn't do as a matter of decency, image be damned.

even the president of the united states sometimes must stand naked.

ParaTed2k

on Aug 16, 2005

Thnx for the wb!

True, troops don't pick their wars, and many who are serving in Iraq are not exactly on board with Prs. Bush. However, SPC Casey Sheehan reenlisted in Aug 2003, he knew he would be going to Iraq. On the day he died, he volunteered for a quick reaction force mission into Baghdad. He neither had to reenlist in August, nor did he have to volunteer for a mission that would take him outside his unit motorpool or perimeter.

In an interview, Cindy Sheehan said,"he felt it was his duty to go because he was in the Army. And he felt that he had to go to protect his buddies, to be there for his buddies, to be support, and they are brainwashed into thinking that even if they don't agree with the mission, they're brainwashed into just blindly following it. I begged Casey not to go. I told him I would take him to Canada. I told him I would run over him with a car, anything to get him not to go to that immoral war. And he said, “Mom, I wish I didn't have to, but I have to go.”

This doesn't add up. He reenlisted in Aug 2003, 5 months after the war started. The 1st Cav Division were given their deployment orders on 2 March 2003. 23 July 2003 the 1st Cav was given its rotation date in July 2003. He didn't "have to go", he had every oportunity to NOT reenlist...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/1cd.htm

In other words, He Knew He Was Going When He Reenlisted!

Then Mrs. Sheehan goes on to say...

CINDY SHEEHAN: We were told that he was going to rescue a group of soldiers that had been ambushed on April 4th in Sadr City, Baghdad. It was when L. Paul Bremer inflamed the Shiite militia into rebellion, first in Fallujah, then it spread to Sadr City, which is a Shiite slum in Baghdad. And so we were told he volunteered to go rescue a group of soldiers that had been ambushed, and on the way there, his convoy was ambushed, and seven soldiers were killed in that ambush.

http://sacramentofordemocracy.org/?q=node/view/3078

Once again we see that he participated in the war above and beyond his MOS (He was a mechanic).

In Mrs. Sheehan's own words, and matching SPC Sheehan's reenlistment with the dates that his unit was put on orders, there is no way SPC Sheehan was unwilling to go to Iraq. He had an easy way to get out of the Army...but he chose to reenlist and he chose to go to Iraq.

As far as the insulting crap about "brainwashing", there are too many troops who did get out when they had the chance, and even more who have made their own thoughts known (both for the war and against it) for the whole "brainwashing" excuse to hold water.

Again Cindy Sheehan has every right to protest this war. She has chosen to make her name and her face an icon of anti war activity (which is also her right). However, she is making statements that simply don't add up, and she is using her son's name for anti war activities that his actions show were not the way he felt.

(((((Sorry for the long post SLC, if you would rather not have this on your blog, I'll move it to my own... afterall, it is your blog and this reply is to Kingbee))))

ParaTed2k

on Aug 16, 2005

If you are looking for decency and "standing naked"... which is more personal, a public appearance at a funeral, or a personal meeting where the family members and the president can actually have a conversation?

Having been part of many military funerals, a few with political dignitaries, I can tell you, they are very professional and impersonal. A quick "I'm sorry for your loss", or "Thank you for your son/daughter's service" is about all there is time for from any one of them.

Cindy Sheehan has said that she wasn't happy with her meeting with Prs. Bush, but many have given a completely different and much more personal account.

If it was your son or daughter, which would you prefer?

kingbee

on Aug 16, 2005

nothing you've just provided proves her protest would contradict her son's wishes. if anything, it supports my contention that he could as easily have hated the war but felt bound by duty and loyalty to his brothers to reenlist and to put himself in danger to help rescue them.

i realize this is gonna sound like i'm baiting you but consider the following:

if kerry had been killed in action on a swiftboat, one could have said the same things about him posthumously. he reenlisted. he volunteered for a mission with a very high incidence of casualties. he put himself in the line of fire to save a member of his crew.

did that evidence his support for the war?

thatoneguyinslc

on Aug 16, 2005

Damn... i turn my back for a couple hours and a civil discussion breaks out....Bastards! :

drmiler

on Aug 16, 2005

Can't get to it Guy. Gotta subscribe. But i re-read the article from your link. Nowhere does it have a direct quote of Cindy stating that dubya was a "murderer". Just some heresay from some guy who might or might not been within earshot of her.

Also according to Stute, the AP is part of the vast LEFT wing conspiracy

Well here ya go:

Posted on Sat, Aug. 13, 2005

More war protesters, Bush supporters rally in Crawford

ANGELA K. BROWN

Associated Press

CRAWFORD, Texas - A grieving mother's anti-war protest entered its second week, gaining momentum and spurring counter-rallies, as hundreds of people with conflicting opinions about the war in Iraq descended Saturday on a road leading to the Western White House.

More than 350 anti-war demonstrators gathered at a park near downtown, then moved the rally several miles away to the peace vigil's makeshift campsite along the road to President Bush's ranch.

"Who knew that the beginning of the end of the occupation in Iraq was going to start last Saturday in Crawford, Texas?" said Cindy Sheehan of Vacaville, Calif., who started the protest Aug. 6 in memory of her 24-year-old son Casey, killed in Iraq last year. "We're here to change the world."

As about a dozen Bush supporters stood across the street holding signs, down from more than 250 who gathered there Saturday morning, one exchange became heated. A Bush supporter approached an anti-war veteran, and they stood chest to chest as deputies tried to separate them.

When the veteran shouted about his wartime experiences and yelled, "I earned the right to be here!" several of his fellow protesters subdued him, moving him away as he sobbed and his knees buckled.

Sheriff's deputies and Secret Service agents otherwise kept the groups on opposite sides of the road, and no one was arrested.

The morning pro-Bush rally at the site was organized by Darrell Ankarlo, a conservative radio talk show host for KLIF in Dallas, who said "in my heart of hearts I believe that we're trying to do the right thing" in Iraq.

He also asked to meet with Sheehan, but she only agreed to meet privately Saturday evening with Bush supporters whose relatives have died in Iraq.

The 250-plus Bush supporters stood in the blazing sun for a few hours in a ditch across the street from the campsite. Most waved American flags and held signs, including "Help! I'm surrounded by America hating idiots!" and "Thank you, Mr. President."

"I feel sorry for Cindy, but I think she went about this the wrong way," said Bill Garrett, of Dallas, a member of Protest Warrior, a group that frequently holds counter protests to anti-war rallies. "Somebody's got to stand up to them."

The first counter-rally was Friday night, organized by another conservative radio talk show host, Mike Gallagher. He brought many of the 100 Bush supporters by bus to the anti-war group's campsite, and the pro-Bush side waved flags, sang patriotic songs and chanted, "Go, George, go!"

But Tim Origer, who lost his left leg above the knee when he was a 19-year-old Marine fighting in Vietnam, said Saturday that believing the war with Iraq is wrong does not diminish their support for the soldiers.

"When Iraqi Freedom started, it looked so much like Vietnam that I couldn't be quiet," said Origer, who lives in Santa Fe, N.M., and is a member of Veterans for Peace. "It's real easy to say war is good when you don't have to be in it."

The campsite of tents and anti-war banners has swelled to several hundred people some days but has a core group of about 100. They sing songs, chat and plan strategy each day on the shoulders of two intersecting side roads that form a triangle with Prairie Chapel Road, which leads to Bush's ranch. Others stay at the Crawford Peace House several miles away near downtown.

They vow to remain until Bush meets with Sheehan and the group's other grieving parents or until the end of his monthlong ranch visit.

Bush has said that he sympathizes with Sheehan but hasn't said whether he will talk to her. Two administration officials met with her last weekend.

drmiler

on Aug 16, 2005

Seems to me that it was the death of their son that is causing their divorce. Not the protest.

oh really? Care to try again?

According to the Smoking Gun, Patrick Sheehan, who has been married to Cindy for more than 28 years, filed documents in Solano County, Calif., on Friday to split with Cindy, citing "irreconcilable differences."

In an Aug. 1 interview with the Daily Kos blog, Cindy Sheehan stated, "I have lost almost every friend that I had before Casey died. My husband and I are separated, because he doesn't support my activities, although he knows the war is a lie."

Looks pretty self-explanitory to me.

kingbee

on Aug 16, 2005

If it was your son or daughter, which would you prefer?

i don't expect the president to attend every funeral, but it's more than that. i remember seeing coverage of reagan (whom i carry no torch for) being present for the return of the soldiers killed in beirut. he was man enough to be there.

the current embargo on photos of caskets containing those men and women who died in iraq--much less a presidential appearance upon the return of their remains--is a disgrace.

it's a transparent attempt to ensure that when this is all over, there won't be any unpleasant imagery associated with george w. bush.

as i said earlier, it negates tradition and it permits bush to avoid being seen in what someone in the whitehouse sees as a negative light.

kingbee

on Aug 16, 2005

Looks pretty self-explanitory to me

not surprising. what doesn't?

Daiwa

on Aug 16, 2005

Judging from your customary positions & demeanor, kb, you might praise Bush for that, but you'd be the exception to the rule. You consider his method of dealing with this a "weasel move." Some consider it respectful and in many ways more personal and meaningful for the families.

I believe Cindy Sheehan's initial (contemporaneous) accounts of her meeting with the President were quite a bit different than those she is providing the press now. She has a right to change her mind & say she's now unhappy with the interaction, but it should at least be stated for the record.

Cheers,
Daiwa

drmiler

on Aug 16, 2005

Looks pretty self-explanitory to me

not surprising. what doesn't?

I'm guessing that your reading comprehension was not up to the task?

drmiler

on Aug 16, 2005

You ever been to Crawford Miler? I have!

I have too. And what I don't remember is that EVRYONE drives a pick-up nor was EVERYONE a "redneck"!

drmiler

on Aug 16, 2005

Looks pretty self-explanitory to me

not surprising. what doesn't?

Again you asked for an answer. I gave you one. You don't like the answer? Too bad!

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