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Published on February 10, 2005 By thatoneguyinslc In Politics
Howdy folks,

I should warn you this is a mini-rant.

Some of the arguements going on around here lately are a freakin joke.

People on both side of the aisle are having little mini wars over the smallest things. A reflection of how divided this country really is in my opinion. A sad statement in general.
I have to admit that i'm also guilty of this behavior. I guess that sometimes you get so emotionally involved in a political discussion you sometimes lose control. You get caught up in how wrong the other person is, and feel obligated to pound them into the dirt for being that way. You pity them for being blind, yet you can't resist smacking them in the back of the head once in a while. I understand. I've been there.

I will read posts (from both sides, the nice thing about being a moderate) and wonder "what the f**k? How retarded IS this person? I didn't think someone could smoke this much crack and still operate a computer!" I'm sure most of you have had similar experiences. I guess it's part of the whole blogging process. Maybe it's arrogance on my part. Maybe i'm just naive. Maybe the other person is as ignorant as i think they are, maybe i'm the one who is ignorant. NAH! It couldn't be ME! That's just impossible!

Sometimes people deliberately write inacurate and mean sprited posts because they feel it is the only way to drive their point home. They will spin, twist, maipulate, and outright lie to make their point. My grandfather used to tell me "Dont write checks with your mouth that your ass can't cash". I have tried to live by this statement. I think i have done a pretty good job at heeding his advice. It doesn't make me a better person than the next . It doesn't make me smarter or wiser. Just a little more aware of what i'm trying to say. I wish some of you would heed his advice because this shit going on here is pathetic.
Where did the american political experience take such a nasty turn? If you ask a republican they will say "the minute dubya took office". If you ask a democrat they will say "the minute bubba took office". If you ask a libertarian (apologies to Gid) they will say "how stupid are you?...It's BOTH their fault!" That's the problem. Every group is unwilling to take any resposibility for their actions anymore. It's always the other guys fault. What a load!

I think we all need to take a step back and look at what has been going on around here as of late. It's not a bad thing to disagree. Our whole system of government is based on debate and the freedom to have and voice your opinion. Just because you believe in something does NOT make you a fascist or a pinko. It just means you have a different opinion than the next person. That's what makes America the greatest country in the world. We have the ability to disagree and debate. That is not a license to berate, manipulate, twist, and speak half truths and fallacies. It is also not justification to act like a bunch of children either. I really was never a big fan of Ronald Reagan, but there were qualities that he posessed that i really admired. He had the ability to put politics aside and have civil and meaningful discussions with the other side. He always said, "i'm a republican until 5:00pm. Then i'm just Ronald Reagan". He would openly befriend democrats and have drinks with Tip O'Neill. He understood that no matter what your position on the issue, rational and friendly dialogue was the key to getting things done. I wish more politicians and private citizens would heed his advice.

As a country we do a great diservice to ourselves by bickering and skirmishing on matters that are minor. That doesn't mean i'm advocating a big bipartisan lovefest either. Just a little sanity is all.

Over the past few months i feel as if i have had a good learning experience about the other team. I don't agree with them most of the time, but i admire their determination. Not their tactics. The same can be said about some of my friends on the left. But there is a darkside to this. Righties accuse me of being of being a "LLL" (is that the correct abbreviation guys?) The lefties call me a "sellout". Okay, fine by me. You are entitled to your opiniions, but that doesn't make them accurate. They're just opinions. Much like assholes, everybody has them. But you're both wrong!

In closing, all i ask is fo a little more civility and accuracy around here. I don't think it's too much to ask. We don't have to like each other or have a big "lovefest". We are never going to completely agree most of the time. I would kill my blog if we did. I enjoy the sparring and banter. I'm just sick and tired of the bullshit.

Okay, time to tear me a new one...Let's hear it!

Thanks for reading,
thatoneguyinslc

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on Feb 13, 2005
thatoneguyinslc, you ignorant slut.

what's all this we hear about violins on tv?

sorry...couldnt resist. great article.

ps i've never even thought of you as a sell-out or anything other than a very reasonable and refreshing kinda guy in slc--and can't imagine how or why anyone else found themselves so incredibly that far out in the zone.
on Feb 13, 2005
Damn Daiwa...Don't hold back! Tell us how you really feel!

NJ, Thanks! I have always thought you and i were pretty close in the opinion department.

King, i know i know! i do one of these every few months. The ones who hammer me with the "Sell out" tag are usually anon posters who are prolly DU people. In their opinion Howard Dean is a jackbooted thug. I usually don't let it effect me. But whatchagonna do?

On the subject of trolls. You may not like what guy, miler,mod and ted have to say, but you have to admire their tenacity. And who here hasn't trolled someone before? (looking around) I think in some ways they admire the same quality in some of us. We all just get caught up in the emotion of the conflict on occassion. (see milers post above). I don't blame them when someone (not just David) comes after them. I just take a different approach then they do.

And no hijacking from what i can see people, so no apology needed. Blog on!
on Feb 13, 2005
thatoneguyinslc, you ignorant slut.


Points to kingbee. Liked that one.

And TOGISLC -

Before I got steamed @ DSH, I was going to say, "Good article, I agree." Maybe it's that there is somewhat less urgency to some of the material, but I've seen more "Shana & James" repartee of late, and been a little guilty of it myself, for which I apologize to all.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Feb 13, 2005
Nice one, Daiwa! Drunken Saturday night/early Sunday morning tirades against yours truly are a time honoured tradition at JU, jolly good show old boy! I love how - like all good personal attacks here - you and Fake Doc #1 feign civility by being so terribly sorry for 'hijacking' SLCs thread while incongruously being so nasty towards me, a classic trolling technique that I admire. It almost makes your trollish posts come off as civilized! Almost. Fortunately I truly don't care what you or others think, so I don't see why you waste your time with the nastiness. I hope you feel better about yourself now.

Anyhoo, I was a poli sci major. Politics interests me and political discussions interest me. Bad political discussions and the trolls who take a good post and turn it into a slimefest annoy me.

For example, last time we argued you turned a good thread discussing the irony of the ACLU defending Limbaugh into a sleazy accusation of support of paedophilia; you just can't get any lower - or further away from a logical argument - than that. Poor form old boy.

I believe it is difficult if not impossible to present a logical argument in support of the Bush presidency, and that explains why at least one side of the debate (the Bush supporters) has effectively abandoned reason and are now expatriates of the reality based community. Hell I'd go so far as to say that in day to day discourse the Bush presidency has dealt a death blow to logic itself - you just can't have a reasonable conversation about anything anymore.

David St. Hubbins
on Feb 13, 2005
NJ, Thanks! I have always thought you and i were pretty close in the opinion department.


You knew I existed? Wow, that's a first.
on Feb 14, 2005
Thank God!

I thought you might not be back, DSH. I'm so grateful to you for enlightening me as to the error of my ways, poor lost soul that I am. The debt I owe you is far too great to ever be adequately repaid.

Might be good to re-read that Limbaugh/ACLU thread, though. Someone else brought up NAMBLA & pedophilia - I didn't "turn the thread into a sleazy accusation" of anyone.

As for feigning civility, I'll leave it others to decide who's doing that, and who's a troll. You can enjoy whatever delusions you wish, but your feigned intellectualism leaves me distinctly unimpressed.

Cheers,
Daiwa

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